tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post3397273267975136906..comments2023-11-05T04:45:10.017-08:00Comments on GALACTICA SITREP: Not In Our Stars: The Betrayals of the Battlestar Galactica FinaleLogan Gawainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04278696479800563683noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-77643261336399566852009-04-28T17:16:00.000-07:002009-04-28T17:16:00.000-07:00Pretty much everything I've said about the terribl...Pretty much everything I've said about the terrible finale is summed up here. Only better of course. <br /><br />Again, the finale was like a double wide parked next to the Taj Mahal and no one was supposed to notice. Thanks for speaking the mind of the "silent majority" ;). <br /><br />I think the editors are a bit prickly about other negative reviews of the show end.madmonqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00775158446383774010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-60791668129232132502009-04-28T02:37:00.000-07:002009-04-28T02:37:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.madmonqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00775158446383774010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-60064558776213129202009-04-23T20:39:00.000-07:002009-04-23T20:39:00.000-07:00I really liked the finale. Sure it left a few thin...I really liked the finale. Sure it left a few things hanging but that's ok. That's what keeps you thinking afterward. Kara disappearing was perfect. The whole notion of angels or dead people returning to complete a task, warn someone or whatever is an old device so I really don't see why so many people have trouble with it. It didn't answer the questions about why her dad taught her the song, why she flew into the maelstrom, why she had visions of Leoben trying to make sense of her life, how after dying she wound up at Earth only to crash (and die again?) there but if she was returned as an angel or something else who says it only happened after she crashed on Earth? Maybe she was an angel all along which explains all the jumpy situations she was in through season three. Having her just vanish and leave Lee standing there alone was beautifully bittersweet. No goodbye, no understanding and no grave to mark. What an emotional moment.<br /><br />What I don't buy is that everyone just dropped their tech. Sure, their ships were worn out but why trash them? Is NO ONE interested in looking around the solar system? Don't tell me that all the Viper pilots (and how the hell did they only lose 4 at the colony?) just gave up flying. How will they communicate with each other when all the tillium runs out and when the batteries wear down? Is no one interested in anything but a hard life of toil? And with less than 40,000 people left how is there the talent pool to pull this all off? Really though, how was there the talent pool to do a lot of what they did for the last four years?<br /><br />I don't understand why Lee feels he'll never see his father again. Is that what RDM meant by that line? Does "he won't be coming back" mean he won't see him again or does it just mean he's retiring and leaving everything to everyone else? Cripes, all the raptors have IFF transponders so it wound't take 30 seconds to find him. Are you telling me that neither Lee nor Saul will be out looking for him someday, especially now that Lee has NO ONE?<br /><br />I really would have liked to see one last pan around the Galactica before Adama flies off her in his viper. A nice melancholy Bear McCreary tune playing as the camera pans away from Anders and through empty corridors, officer's mess, Joe's bar, the ready room, Adama's quarters, the memorial wall (complete with the pics of those forgotten dead that were left behind) and so on and then to Adama in his flightsuit. It would have given us a nice goodbye to the old girl. Don't tell me he didn't take that walk before he left her forever! I know the intent of the finale was to be completely character driven but isn't Galactica a character too? Have we not been told as much over the last few episodes as we've watched her fall apart? My hope is that we get to see that on the DVD. I've read that there will be an extra 15-20 minutes added when it comes out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-38957367427037006612009-04-22T07:27:00.000-07:002009-04-22T07:27:00.000-07:00Two things: The end *was* consistent with the seri...Two things: The end *was* consistent with the series and as episode I liked it.<br /><br />That been said I also felt betrayed. I'm also agnostic and I don't like the notion of a higher being intervening with my life.<br /><br />If only there wasn't the last scene between Head 6/Baltar I could said that the whole thing wasn't a God's plan but our heroes viewed it as such.<br /><br />But it was this "it doesn't like this name" that ruined them all. I don't care if the "God" in the BSG universe is a judeo-christian like "God" or the avatar of an "alive, self-aware, intelligent" Universe, or a transhuman or whatever!<br /><br />What it matters is that all these was a plan of a sentient being and our heroes were nothing more than puppets of a transcendental puppeteer in a cosmic puppet-show.<br /><br />It's very Moorcock-sque in a fundamentally different universe than Moorckock's multiverse and <B>it just doesn't feel right</B>.Cynic Bastardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10622107768804881299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-29569515425956862372009-04-22T07:23:00.000-07:002009-04-22T07:23:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Cynic Bastardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10622107768804881299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-794749715398957412009-04-21T04:50:00.000-07:002009-04-21T04:50:00.000-07:00I have not been able to rewatch the finale yet. I...I have not been able to rewatch the finale yet. I usually watch every episode twice within the week of airing.<br /><br />I can only say that it has been vastly cathartic to come across your post. Your words have distilled the murky disquiet where my BSG memories have been held at bay.<br /><br />Thank you.Morticciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01606043175114111707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-85373365188831555882009-04-20T17:49:00.000-07:002009-04-20T17:49:00.000-07:00- Turning their back on technology:
Fits in with ...- Turning their back on technology:<br /><br />Fits in with your analysis... it wasn't the technology they were afraid of, but their relationship with it, and probable INability as a species/society to NOT dominate the "locals". They would have in effect, immediately created yet another two-class world.<br /><br /><br />- Ron and David appearing in cameos in the Finale<br /><br />Geez, let the guys take a curtain call for crissakes....Thomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00129160330403914733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-79482932266924481462009-04-19T21:43:00.000-07:002009-04-19T21:43:00.000-07:00My impressions to the finale were complicated, as ...My impressions to the finale were complicated, as is fitting for a show that defined itself through the density of its narrative. Most writers agree, if you didn't start with an ending, you are essentially doomed to produce one that doesn't match the rest of the narrative in scope. There are, of course, potent exceptions, but I was fully prepared to be nonplussed. <br /><br />From that standpoint, I was pleasantly surprised. The first half was everything I came to like about the heroic angles of BSG. As for the "happy" ending and its contrast with the arc of the story, I have to object. It was hardly unqualified cheer at the end-Sam, Laura, Racetrack, and Boomer are dead, Kara has vanished, Bill and Galen have vanished into the wilderness, the family of the Fleet has scattered to the winds. From that standpoint, it felt consistent and satisfying with the tone of the rest of the show-we survive, but always with a cost, and was more about the rest and elation of getting a break for once than festivities.<br /><br />Furthermore, it was one of only a handful of conceivable endings. The Fleet was tasked with finding a new home, and was going to continue until it couldn't. So the story ending choice were a) annihilation, which, while realistic, would have both tried the patience of even the most cynical audience and not fit with the themes of survival, b) left them mid-journey, which would have spoiled the definite arc of the story, or c) find a place to park. There really was no choice.<br /><br />My issues (and something of the aforementioned sense of betrayal) come from instances, where, as a writer, and a student of science, tiny tweaks could have been made to resolve some rather glaring contrasts with the flow of the show as a whole. After four seasons of pretty intense agnosticism (or at least a dedication to inscrutability,) to have the Head People "come out" and speak to Six/Baltar at the same time, and wander NY at the end minus a character to appear to, was jarring and necessary-they should have been left in the realm of murky visions rather than hired fixers for the powers-that-be.<br /><br />Having hominids placed there by divine intervention in evolution was similarly goofy-it seems that it would have been possible to make the planet in question be the original home of humanity, and had either gone through a cycle of technology and exodus (and the humans on it were the back-to-the stone age remnants) in the distant past- there was plenty of room in the million years of relatively modern man for 6,000 years of technology, or set it in the future and they were our remnants. Both would have had some scientific chin scratching, to be sure, (rather unavoidable given the Von Daniken inspired nature of the show's premise and its very evident wrongness) but both would have fit with the themes of exodus, and avoided coming down so hard on the is-there-a-god-and-does-it-care questions that defined the mystical parts of the show-and would have required reworking one minute of dialogue and affected little else. Really, to have a show that eschewed bumpy-headed aliens swap for the one thing less likely-identically evolved humans, when humanity and human creations have been crisscrossing the galaxy for millenia leaving wreckage and survivors, seemed way off key and unnecessary to boot.<br /><br />Some people abandoning technology would have been fine-indeed, a minute of dialogue about how all the high-tech was rusting and had no way to be fixed and a return to the land was inevitable would have been fine. But having them appear 150,000 years ago means that they would have given up, say, tools with handles or made of bone, not to mention the farming Baltar was wandering off to do or Adama/Athena's discussions of housebuilding, much less their nuclear weapons and starships, or the religion the Greeks presumably inherited. Again, the fix to such a glaring issue is so simple that most of my frustration stemmed from not making any of the other ten choice-have them drop off anyone who want to live under open sky a few thousand years ago and ignite the sparks of the big classical civilizations-Greece, the Bantu, whatever, that at least had farming, metal, buildings, and wheels, and maybe have anyone else take off in the remnants of the Fleet. Maybe have them decide to do a Prime Directive and only fiddle gentle with the natives, and set up all their high-tech city on a volcanic island that could bury it all when it ran down, and make it an Atlantis story. Still can have a Lee speech about the perils of technology, still keeps us from doing Galactica 1980, but makes considerably more sense. <br /><br />As I said, five minutes of cuts, and my writer, critic, and scientist brains could have been wholly placated. The fact I take objection to those bits was that, by and large, the tone was so pitch perfect that I desperately wanted it to fit together just a hair better with the tone of the show.<br /><br />I watched it again. I nearly cried as the camera panned out on Adama atop the hill. The show as a whole is still the best. I think I can find it in my heart to forgive a couple sour notes in the last hour of 80 of great storytelling.<br /><br />But if it ever takes another pass through the editing room...Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04664677174349264155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-55202930246129681392009-04-18T05:58:00.000-07:002009-04-18T05:58:00.000-07:00The one thing that I keep saying to all the nit pi...The one thing that I keep saying to all the nit pickers and critics, and it doesn't get said enough, is: can't you just enjoy the one truly good SF show to come our way since... forever? Think about when, if ever, will someone make something that can compare to BSG in terms of... pretty much everything. If all the good that the show has brought us over the years pales in comparison to the disappointment with the finale, I doubt that you were ever able to truly appreciate the unique and wonderful miracle of Battlestar Galactica. We can only pray to the Lords of Kobol, or the Cylon god, or "the one who doesn't like being called that" that we live to see something as good again.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12081707607225165572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-22122680165997696322009-04-17T19:52:00.000-07:002009-04-17T19:52:00.000-07:00To ye of little faith: The Galactica Sitrep, will ...To ye of little faith: The Galactica Sitrep, will always be the Galactica Sitrep. What does it say on our banner? "News, Interviews & Opinions".<br /><br />Our mission remains the same.Logan Gawainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04278696479800563683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-47825646008277087882009-04-17T15:34:00.000-07:002009-04-17T15:34:00.000-07:00@Work
Without stirring things up too much, I woul...@Work<br /><br />Without stirring things up too much, I would have to agree with you. If this site ever does get like that, as much as I love it now, I'd be gone too. I mainly come here to read about upcoming BSG and BSG-related items of interest. It's nice having a one-stop shop for All Things Battlestar! I don't think your scenario will happen (or that it even applies yet, after all the finale was less than a month ago), but, if it did, I wouldn't stick around.<br /><br />In fact, you touched upon the exact reason why I don't visit io9 too often...<br /><br />Just my two cents.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13402724409216537333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-25059209481319347112009-04-17T08:39:00.000-07:002009-04-17T08:39:00.000-07:00Very nice analysis.
My disappointment wasn't in t...Very nice analysis.<br /><br />My disappointment wasn't in the fact that it offered hope. Hell, I applaud that, as the characters (and the audience) needed a bit of that. My problem was it all boiling down to GOD DID IT.<br /><br /><I>Kara needs to save them all! What, she died?! Umm...bring her back! She's got a mission to accomplish!</I>That didn't sit right with me, and not because of any religious beliefs or lacke thereof. It took all the hard work, and sacrifice, these people made and threw it by the wayside. Not to mention the deus ex machina that was Racetrack's destruction of the Colony.<br /><br />I'm not one to substitute my vision for the creator's vision (loved the Prequel Trilogy, by the way...sue me) but the finale didn't feel, to me, like it was the culmination of the story five years in the making.neverAcquiescehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09020480436736709614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-6182235320393159682009-04-17T08:37:00.000-07:002009-04-17T08:37:00.000-07:00"Roslin has always been one of the most complex an..."Roslin has always been one of the most complex and interesting characters to me, and the finale did not do justice to her role as the leader of the fleet, the civilian counterpart to Adama's military authority. What happened to the kick-ass Roslin whose steady hand and icy determination saved the human race from extinction time and time again? The dying leader who really did lead the caravan of the heavens to its new home? If the new non-wasteland Earth had any value, it's this—it fulfilled the prophecy, it gave Roslin her resolution. I mean, come on, I know she was dying, and all, but this is Roslin, for gods' sakes. She can kill somebody by narrowing her eyes. Adama could have turned to her and said “you did it.” Even better, she could have whispered to herself “I did it.” After all the hard decisions she had to make, arriving at Earth was her victory."<br /><br />Since you used a quote from Ressurection Ship, Part Two, in your article, I'd like to respond with one:<br /><br />"Just goes to show you - never give up hope." - Laura Roslin<br /><br />The thing is, season 4.5 is about her giving up hope. Season 4.5 is about Adama and Roslin finally being broken by the weight of the despair they have faced. Even though they stick it out, even though they get to Earth in the end, Roslin is at the end of her life and exhausted - and from the tone of Adama's final scene, I think he is in a similar place.<br /><br />"The problem is a simplistic god, an ultimately benevolent power who is guiding everyone to a happy ending. I'm an agnostic, but I always loved the show's religious themes—because they were complicated. Think of Caprica Six, with a crazy glint in her eyes, telling Baltar "God is love”—right after God commanded the Cylons to commit genocide! That's a real, challenging, complex look at what god is—a force that commands men to love one another, and a force that men use to justify killing each other. That's what Battlestar Galactica always had up its sleeve—the idea that God might be a bad-ass evil motherfrakker who really is planning to wipe us all out. The idea that God might be a lie we tell ourselves to make us feel better. "<br /><br />I don't think the series definitively answers that statement is cleanly as you like to think. The final scenes of the series, while a bit hackneyed and heavy handed, make it extremely cleasr that "all of this has happened before, and all of it COULD happen again." A little bit of a simplistic message for BSG, but I don't see how that equates with "God leading us all to a happy ending" - how is it a happy ending if the point of the finale is that the end is not written yet?<br /><br />"And then there's that other science-fiction cliché, the one that has never been important in the Battlestar Galactica universe, and that all of a sudden becomes the ostensible motivation for the complete abandonment of Colonial civilization. Specifically: that technology is bad, dangerous, and we should abandon it. Granted, this cliché came out of the mouth of Lee Adama, who has always been full of crap and given to grandstanding, but still. It was trotted out front and center, and no one disputed it."<br /><br />I don't think that the finale argues that - and I personally hope that moment is a bit expanded upon in the extended version of the episode, because I do think it was a bit too neat. <br /><br />But I do think that arguing that that specific moment in the series argues a Luddite conviction that hasn't been present before that is a bit ridiculous. You can make the moment fit both ways - by arguing that BSG is a Luddite show (points would include the creation of artificial life wiping out no less than three entire planets, Galactica's "No computer networks" stance, the fact that ancient religion and prophecy leads them to Earth - there are plenty more) or by arguing that the moment isn't really Ludditic at all (and this is what makes me hope the moment is expanded - as I feel like that is really what the writers were going for - the idea of a "new beginning" not "OMG TECHNOLOGY = BAD").<br /><br />In the end, I agree that the ending was a bit cheesy and weak, and it does bother me that if I made a list of my favorite BSG episodes, Daybreak wouldn't be on it. But I think it is an oversimiplification to call the ending horrible or a "betrayal" - after 5 years of continous moral ambiguity, I think they earned the right to answer a few questions in the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-90433223224796795232009-04-17T08:26:00.000-07:002009-04-17T08:26:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.neverAcquiescehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09020480436736709614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-61768544606580643382009-04-17T05:29:00.000-07:002009-04-17T05:29:00.000-07:00This is a great article, and I agree with pretty m...This is a great article, and I agree with pretty much all of it. Daybreak was like a punch in the gut for me. I LOVED BSG, and I LOVED the first half of the final season. But the series finale greatly, greatly disappointed me. Which is fine in the grand scheme of things, because it doesn't diminish the brilliance of the show. It was still kind of sad for me though, because I really did think this was going to be the one series that I could look back on and say that I legitimately loved it from the beginning to the bitter end. <br /><br />You know, it's been tough to be in the "disappointed with the finale" boat these last few weeks. As a fan, I was already mourning the loss of the series, and wasn't expecting to also be mourning the lack of a satisfying close to the story. Certainly for me, I've been wanting to talk through that, not to become a nitpicky fangirl, but to get it out of my system so that I can go back to enjoying the rest of the series without disappointment hanging over my head. I don't think that's whiny or wrong. (Honestly, I just can't fathom that an ending with such controversial concepts such as the overwhelming level of control from "God's hand," the relinquishing of all technology, and a Hera-as-Mitochondrial-Eve WOULDN'T be divisive as heck for the fandom.)<br /><br />I think the only thing I'd disagree with in this post was that what we saw was a "happy" ending. It may have been a shallowly pretty ending, but I honestly can't see where completely giving up on the work necessary to escape the cycle and leaving humanity to go through the drek of our past history was a happy outcome. Nor can I fathom any way in which all of the Colonial fleet didn't just die off within a few short years, anyway. To me, that was the biggest disappointment of the finale. These people just...gave up. After four seasons of watching them struggle to be worthy, and four seasons of political and moral dissent and debate, they just...landed on a pretty world, and all of that just magically went away for them. They gave up, in every way there is to give up. That, to me, was a much more tragic ending than any of the gloom-and-doom scenarios I'd imagined out, that's for sure. :)Alyssahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01455350495656948814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-7203086119045215292009-04-17T01:21:00.000-07:002009-04-17T01:21:00.000-07:00Of course, people are entitled to their own opinio...Of course, people are entitled to their own opinions. However, this continuing whining and bleating over the ending is, quite frankly, beginning to seriously irritate me. This constant over-analysing, nit-picking etc. really does kill the enjoyment of the show. So *what* if the ending wasn't the perfect ending in your eyes? For someone of us, it was as a good enough sendoff for characters we've loved for the last 5-6 years. The finale had me breathless with the tension and weepy like a little girl - very few shows *ever* have had the power to do that. And kudos to Ron and crew for creating a show that did that. <br /><br />It's gone. And we'll have to deal with that.No more chances to expand on the story. No more Galactica fix - just the stories we have to hand. Be thankful we have this rich story to go back into whenever we feel like it. <br /><br />I hope to God that Sitrep doesn't degenerate into a site where whiny fanboys spend eons nitpicking and criticising - if so, I (and I suspect others) will drift away. Would be a sad day if that were to occur. All I ask is for a bit of perspective, people.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15421220728336821505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-29135155205034622282009-04-16T21:52:00.000-07:002009-04-16T21:52:00.000-07:00Thanks for the great in-depth post. I think you h...Thanks for the great in-depth post. I think you have hit on alot of the points that some of us have been thinking regarding Daybreak.<br /><br />It really did feel like the show went off course (I personally feel that alot of season 4 was not the best of BSG) when it fell into old scifi cliches. Throw away your technology! It is evil! I would argue that it's not the technology but how we use/develop it. Watch out for intelligent robots... they will take over the world!<br /><br />When Ron said in the podcast, that he wrote some scenes just because he thought they were cool.... that lost come credibility for me. (The bird flying around Lee's room, Caprica Six walking around 'Times Square').<br /><br />I hate thinking that the conclusion of BSG will make me feel less excited about the show... but that's how I (and some others) feel. We are allowed to express our opinions, we will 'get over it', but we are free to talk about how the ending could have been written differently.<br /><br />Thanks for the great article Sam and welcome to Sitrep.prberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597409990094782469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-12923228102002577202009-04-16T21:34:00.000-07:002009-04-16T21:34:00.000-07:00Very interesting and deep essay. However, I didn´t...Very interesting and deep essay. However, I didn´t see the finale as a happy end. Some people died, vanished, chose a lonely life. Others found freedom, family, a love lost. But I have doubts about humanity as a whole, I don´t feel I have a conclusive point of view. <br /><br />I saw it much more as a fresh start than an happy resolution. Just a new opportunity, a new cycle, but no securities at all. Less a gift and more a new chance to find a path, a path which maybe could be the same (or not), with similar (or completely different) mistakes, and regardless, an identical destruction as a result if humanity doesn´t pay attention to itself. <br /><br />All this has happend before and it will happen again? I didn´t find a clear answer in the finale. We have penicillin and atomics bombs. And cute robots.<br /><br />(sorry for the grammar, english is not my first language)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-62393320611138131522009-04-16T19:40:00.000-07:002009-04-16T19:40:00.000-07:00Interesting article. I think I liked the finale m...Interesting article. I think I liked the finale more than you did, but I see where you're coming from. Personally, I thought the happy/dark ending balance worked out all right because, yes, they get to live the rest of their lives with fresh air, but those lives are going to be brutish and likely short--not that life in the Fleet would have been much different on that last count. <br /><br />I do agree with you on the odd thematic note the show ended on. It felt strange that a show that used technology/Cylons as metaphor used it so literally in the end. It wasn't what I was expecting, and I'm not yet sure if that's good or bad--I guess I'll find out when I re-watch it on DVD.<br /><br />I do disagree with you completely on one point. I think Roslin does have her "I did it" moment, just not in those words. I think her last lines, "so much life," are exactly that moment. She started out the series saying "we need to have babies," she found a plant sprouting on the dead Earth and clung to it--to find a place with "so much life" and potential is fulfillment for her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-87174334496224474902009-04-16T19:00:00.000-07:002009-04-16T19:00:00.000-07:00@Danielhaymes, glad you liked it. That's why I ask...@Danielhaymes, glad you liked it. That's why I asked Sam to join the team.Logan Gawainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04278696479800563683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-32516725355780449782009-04-16T18:57:00.000-07:002009-04-16T18:57:00.000-07:00Uh, @Matthew, are you actually saying Phantom Mena...Uh, @Matthew, are you actually saying Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are worthy works of art?<br /><br />Please don't defend BSG using Lucas's garbage prequels as an example. <br /><br />There's a lot right with Daybreak, and a lot wrong with Daybreak. Sam's essay is a balanced look at it. Sam's writing speaks for itself. You don't really address his points, you just pound your fist on the table screaming. <br /><br />That's fine. <br /><br />I think you can see other commenters here either agree or disagree with the essay, but are all quite civil and offer intelligent observations. <br /><br />I'm really proud that we can have an intelligent discussion like this on this site while all being polite to each other.Logan Gawainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04278696479800563683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-19073165237685630192009-04-16T18:43:00.000-07:002009-04-16T18:43:00.000-07:00@Jack: FINALLY. Reading the previous posts felt li...@Jack: FINALLY. Reading the previous posts felt like I was taking crazy pills... the original poster literally lost me at "happy ending". I don't care how well you wrote it, if you think it ended happily, it all crumbles down to nothing.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12081707607225165572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-84110598789269578382009-04-16T18:13:00.000-07:002009-04-16T18:13:00.000-07:00I have watched Daybreak three times now, and it's ...I have watched Daybreak three times now, and it's only gotten better on those repeated viewings. I think the main problem I have with a lot of the criticism of the ending is simply that it wasn't GRIMDARK enough for them, that it didn't meet the standards of the series for pushing boundaries.<br /><br />But was it really a happy ending? Really?<br /><br />Let's see. The rebel Cylons are all doomed to extinction. Tyrol is going to die alone in, apparently, Scotland. Lee has just been abandoned by his father and Starbuck. Roslin dies, just when she and Adama have finally found an end to their road together, and <I>Adama doesn't even notice when she dies</I>The surviving Colonials have turned their back on technology, 37,000 people suddenly reduced to hunter-gatherer status. The script itself says Hera was a "young woman" when she died. Sure, the show is suddenly out in the open and bright, but the ending itself is actually sad and depressing. It says <I>Only by giving up or losing the things you most value can you be saved.</I> You will find paradise, but it will be the last thing you expected and you can't live there unless you destroy who you were before.<br /><br />"Daybreak" ends on a hopeful note, yes, but it's a bleak kind of hope. I think people are suddenly offended that a story that's always been structured as a spiritual journey...ends in a spiritual fashion. Makes me wonder how closely some people actually watched Galactica.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-13064099782301210072009-04-16T17:52:00.000-07:002009-04-16T17:52:00.000-07:00The thing that bothered me most about the ending w...The thing that bothered me most about the ending wasn't the ludist point of view, or the "happy" ending nor the "Hera is our mitocondrial mommy" thingie... <br /><br />The problem was that all the "bad guys" died and where punished in someway, thus the "good guys" found a new home and survived. I honestly thought that Athena would die rather than Boomer, being the survival personality of the latter and that Athena was really traumatized by the "Helo-Boomer" incident in the Bathroom and so on. <br /><br />I hoped that Cavil would obtain what he wanted and create an even better cylon race, evolving by their own hand and seeing where they were going to end. <br /><br />I wished Admiral Adama and Roslin would have gone to the stars and died with their beloved Galactica. And if she had said "I did it", it wouldn't have gone with his character because she didn't care anymore. She found home beside the Admiral, she found a family in the crew.... she didn't need to find Earth. <br /><br />And Starbuck... dont get me started. I really wanted her to be Daniel-Seven'th daugter, but Ron has consistently told us that its just a number mixup they had with all the 12 models. Being a little consistent with TOS, that starbuck disapeared and was an "angel" did make sense, but that much disinformation still bothers me. I would like some closure with her in some way or another. <br /><br /><br />But well, the final episode is there. We can't change it... we have to live with it. Just like unfair, dark and bleak life is. XD <br /><br />(Sorry for the crappy english, im a little bit rusty on that).Lucy-donohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13471945082483616207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20273746.post-76775795785433409852009-04-16T17:12:00.000-07:002009-04-16T17:12:00.000-07:00It seemed I loved the ending for many of the reaso...It seemed I loved the ending for many of the reasons others despised it.<br /><br />However, this analysis of the ending is the first intelligent criticism I have read from someone who disliked the ending, and for that you must be commended.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com